Independent federal MP Andrew Wilkie recently condemned successive Australian governments for failing to meet their obligations under international law to asylum seekers and refugees who arrive by sea."The Rome Statute addresses crimes against humanity, and it's a crime against humanity to forcibly transfer anyone to a third country and to detain them indefinitely without trial.RMIT ABC Fact Check investigates.
Lawyers and academics have also called on the court to investigate, but to date, no such investigation has been launched. International criminal law experts consulted by Fact Check said that, in theory, the ICC could decide to investigate Australian government officials.Furthermore, even if the ICC investigated, and then decided to launch a prosecution, the Australian Government could refuse to volunteer its officials for a trial, they said.Fact Check has not assessed the extent to which Australia's treatment of asylum seekers meets the Rome Statute's definition of crimes against humanity.
Yes
Poor down trodden fakeugees are forced, forced I tell you to go to an icecream parlour or the beach completely unguarded. So by your reckoning not allowing the to cone to Australia but they are free to go any where else in the world is a crime against humanity? Pigs arse it is.
Yes
I don't know about Australia but by the looks of this video these 'refugees' are guilty of crimes against comedy 😂🤣
But wait, PDut told me they were rapists and murderers come to plunder our queues - not humans!
The analysis of GLAN_LAW, Stanford Law School and a number of international criminal law experts suggests the ICC Prosecutor should investigate. See here:
Well he was right on Howard and the Iraq war.
Absolutely not
What about this 2017 settlement?
The LNP have so broken the ABC that Fact Check doesn't actually answer? 🥴
So yes?
Yes
Yep.
Untested ... but more than likely
Yes
the is guilty of crimes against the Australian people. defundtheabc
Yes
Not one bit.
Is it a crime to protect ones sovereign state from unknown threats? No. Is it a crime to ensure all people meet the criteria for refugee status prior to being allowed into a country. No. So no we are not commiting any crime against humanity
Extraordinary inaccurate“fact check” not one mention of PM Gillard who set up detention camps in Nauru and PNG in Aug/Sept 2012 breaking Australia’s commitment to the 1954 UNHCR Convention - auspol ABCFactCheck - WilkieMP - Grossly inaccuracy or inadequate? who pays for this?
Extraordinary inaccurate“fact check” not one mention of PM Gillard who set up detention camps in Nauru and PNG in Aug/Sept 2012 breaking Australia’s commitment to the 1954 UNHCR Convention - auspol ABCFactCheck - Grossly inaccuracy or inadequate? (who pays for this?)
QandA Holding people including women and children for years without charge.....of course not!
Absolutely
No.
Exploiting workers pay low as $4 a hour,as we know last year when the Fair Work Commission, stated the minimum wage, Coalition Gov. parliamentary, used the TV. time advocating against the minimum wage rise, further worse she claimed that the minimum wages, was very unfair to boss
Yes
QandA No. If we were someone would have tried a claim long ago. There are are litterally 100s of socialist lawers and students foaming at rhe mouth over such a prospect.
Legally? Maybe not, as the article states. Morally, however, there is no question.
Lynmaree56 I blogged my view that Australia is guilty of crime against humanity on in 2013, 2015 So I would really like to see that question tested in an appropriate forum. auspol
Yes
This bloke is all piss and wind and anti Australian
Yes, and those that say no will be happy to say yes if any socialist country has done the same crimes. Those that say know also agree that Kissinger deserves the Peace Noble Prize.
Qldaah Of course it is dickheads when you play politics with peoples lives from war torn countries that are backed by the west of course you guilty.
In addition, international law cannot be imposed, it relies on the respective country to accept a ruling and abide by it.
Who gives a rats
Geez 'untested' is hardly reassuring
QandA Yes
Is The Australian ABC guilty of Bulls%t against Australia in its Fake News about Fake Refugees?
QandA The 1951 Refugee Convention allows for signatory countries to offer asylum to people who meet the criteria. It also sets out that signatory countries take refugees from areas of concern. People are held in detention until the threat they pose to the country can be determined.
no. look after your own first
It should be tested. Thats a pretty weak assessment, how about 'Is Australia committing crimes against humanity and not being investigated'?
QandA Fact check this, are they in need of asylum?
QandA For all the snowflakes saying 'Yes'.... Did you actually read the Fact Check?
QandA The case against Australia was 'fairly weak', he said. A definitive judgment on whether successive Australian governments had committed crimes against humanity was not possible, he said. End.
If intermittent WiFi access isn't a crime against humanity, I don't know what is.
YES
Yes of course!!
Bring guilty and being prosecuted are two different things.
Yes
QandA O well that's alright then
no...that's absurd
If they follow this silly eurotrashy idea, our govt would have its soveriegnty overuled by lefthards from Germany & France. We are Australia. We decide who comes, & the manner in which they arrive.
Hell yes ! Indefinite detention is torture
Qldaah Yes, unfortunately we are all guilty of these crimes
Oh please stop with this rubbish. They are treated better than many Australian citizens
somuchbullsh Needs testing! auspol
ABCFactCheck typical abc question
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Andrew Wilke lives in an alternate universe
Oh let’s get Wilkie to run the matter in The Hague. Pro bono types can’t wait. Andrew did so well on gambling. Gillard used the poor sod.
No. Look to China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Syria, Turkey, Libya, Somalia etc.
When labor has increased the amount of boat people dying at sea because of relaxed borders they will use the deaths as political headway to virtue signal the vote base instead of stopping incentivizing and saving childrens lives. Truly divisive.
QandA Yes. But they use slogans to sell process. 'We stopped boats.''1500 deaths at sea'. 'ALP's border mess.' To punish innocent people as a means of scaring off other innocent people is not a moral way of achieving good ends. Alternative policies should have been used to save lives.
QandA How about this question: Should Australia look after its indigenous people before taking in illegal immigrants?
Ten years on and people still dont understand border policy.
The answer if you dont want to read that is NO
QandA Yes.
QandA Absolutely.
QandA Gosh it’s complex isn’t it? Not much hope of a conviction but we know how cruel and evil they are to asylum seekers. And they are judged guilty in the court of decent public opinion on a daily basis. And at the election we hope.
Yes, yes & yes
Of course not better looked after than many Australian citizens
Comment? Afraid...deportation!
Yes yes yes
give us a break Spare us d sanctimonius lecture Refugees in Greece& Turkey r much worse off If everybody can claim it is his human right to come bu boats how many millions would we get? Hungary &Italy r against uncontrolled migration When we had 54k it cost $3bils to detain
Your confusing genuine asylum seekers escaping death to economic illegal migrants....
There are a number of legal minds who are 'CYA' with regard to this controversial issue. That those spoken to from the hallowed halls of academia can't comprehend the idea that 1000 individuals in detention for no crime at all can represent a crime against humanity is ludcicrous.
'Crimes against humanity'? FFS. They can leave any time they like. Never let it be said that the ABC doesn't pursue an extreme left wing agenda so that the ones who are just left wing think they are represent the centre.
Umm, yes obviously!
Irony
Yes
Are some activists guilty of lawfare stupidity against common sense?
What about the Left’s crimes against humanity: Exposing children to LGBT propaganda in schools Systematic marginalisation of White majority via multiculturalism Indigenous child abuse sustained by Leftist policies Socialist indoctrination of children in public education
MSMWatchdog2013 So the ICC is toothless ?
Yes
no
What a pos article 🙄 containing no facts . ..ABC no credibility
Maybe Labor & the Greens for the 1200 people killed at sea.
Sure looks that way.... Hague
When will abc bring to attention the crimes against humanity that the asylum seekers have inflicted on the Nauru and Manus community?
No, despite what shreiking leftards tell you
Straight up yes. We already know that the conditions inflicted upon asylum seekers was torture, there's no question that the government has committed crimes against humanity.
ABCFactCheck Yes
Another independent not worth a spit.
ABCFactCheck We taxpayers pay for this stupidity ....
Yes
No
This is a BULLSHIT non event, certainly NOT a fact check of Wilkies allegations
Yes.
What about all the boats and drownings stopped!
The left wing lynch mob are in kahoots with GetUp to bring down the government and install billshortenmp and they have the gall to pull a politically motivated fact check? That’s about as credible as sending Zoe Daniel to Hanoi to cover the summit.
What a fake news joke the ABC is.
Another Fact Check that does not check any facts!!
no
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