By Mitch MansfieldStraight talking from Bob Vylan frontman Bobby, but it's a view that's shared by some fans.
But that didn't stop a sold-out crowd of about 100,000 people gathering at Donington Park over the weekend for the 20th anniversary of the UK's biggest rock and metal event."The scene, the genre, the subculture and the people within it have done a great job at killing it," Bobby tells BBC Newsbeat from backstage at Download Festival.
"It will only continue to expand in the next 20 years," predicts Creeper keyboardist and vocalist Hannah Greenwood."The main thing is getting more women into music, but we're getting there.""With things like TikTok, people that shunned rock and metalheads are now like 'oh, actually, sick'. But Hannah insists the Southampton rock band are so far resisting the temptation, and at times the pressure, to chase views and clicks.Blowing up on TikTok is something that Lorna Shore can relate to.