Minister in the presidency Mondli Gungubele's comments about ministers using public healthcare has sparked fresh debate. the ministerial handbook has been amended to remove a cap on municipal utilities for ministers and deputy ministers. Cabinet ministers earn R2.4m a year and their deputies R2m.st insecure jobs and do not get subsidies for many things.
He laughed when asked why he is paying for medical aid when public healthcare is available, saying “that is a different story”.“I would agree that the more we use public health services the better. It would send a message of our confidence in the system”. “Ramaphosa’s government made it clear that it has no intention of listening to the public or the DA by scrapping these provisions. Since Ramaphosa refuses to do anything about this waste of public resources, the DA will do it for him.”Government spokesperson Phumla Williams responded to the backlash, saying the public works department is responsible for providing water and electricity to state-owned residences.
Yes, definitely!!
Yes then they would do more about sorting out its many problems!
Yes,that is the only way that the current govt will fix the current problem. The alternative is to change the current govt.
I wana build me a house but is not gonna be good enough for me to sleep in it. Sh$&hole
Stand up comedy will love this as a new topic..come on Jason goliath.barry Hilton..get some jokes ready
Yes with emphasis on que
Without a doubt, it should be compulsory, their medical aid should be limited to public health
Yes
Definitely yes yes yes yes yes
Why not?
They are the ones who must solve the same problem of the longest queue!
Yes , the same one that they steal from and make people wait months to be treated !
Yes even schooling for their kids
Let them enjoy what they created
If you market Coke you cannot drink Pepsi!
If the ministers experienced all govt facilities, they would fix the schools, clinics and hospitals. When they go on holiday they go to Dubai. When sick they go to Russia and they send their children to USA for education
Yes for sure
Why is it even a question? What's special about them?
YES!!
Look, I think you’re aproaching this wrongly, but my issue starts with GEMS, that should be abolished or remove the E, then it’ll be GMS, by Gvt, for the tax payers, it’s really absurd that Gvt employees who’re employed in the same hospitals find it not good enuf for them, CRAZY!
Aren’t public ministers and government officials servants of the public? Of course they are! They should be no different to anyone else!
Yes
Their medical should be limited to public health care. This will help improve the quality of service in the public health care centers.
These are your supposed leaders 🤭😅
YES!
Lol mxm kuyafana ngeke bawumbe u line. Ngisho kuvotwa bawbamba ngoba benzela ama camera
Ys
Yes : I would love to see this .
But some(small percentage) do use it they come to DGMAH,SBAH even at 1militaty.
Yes.
Absolutely, and public education and public transport
Like all other African politicians, they will fly off to wester countries.
Yes I agree
Yip, let them sleep in the passage floors for 4 days
Yes.
Absolutely, government employees should use government hospitals
BLFSouthAfrica has been calling for this for a very long time Mngxitama2
Yes as well as their families so they can experience the shoddy service we citizens have to endure at health facilities
Ministers use Public healthcare?first time hearing this.they normally go to russia
Yebo
Yes they should coz they do nothing for people
Public healthcare, schools, SAA l, City to City. Everything public so they can see what they are subjecting the rest of us to.. No animal farm tendencies..
R2million per annum salaries and yall fantasize this garbage
That must be a requirement not a choice in that way they will now what ordinary citizens face daily
Why not?
Yes
Most definitely. Red tapes will be cut and service providers will be paid within 30 days.
This shouldn't even be a question, they should use it because that's what the people they represent use. How else can they serve the people if they don't know what the people have to endure daily?
They should actually be banned from private health care
The irony is that SOEs would be performing better if all government employees relied on their services. The fact that the Ministers and PresidencyZA have alternative power supply and get services for free... is the reason why there is a lack of urgency in making things work
I fully support this clarion call and their kids be forced to attend public schools. This is the only way they’ll ensure that the public sector is prioritised and the services rendered will improve for the better.
They fucking should
Yesssssssss why not if they think the service we getting there is the best let them and join us
Most definitely, they should, so they really witness their handy work on how shitty it is!!!!
ABSOLUTELY RESOUNDING YES!!!!
Yes they join the Que like all all of us
Yes. No minister should be allowed to access private health care or private schools.
Dumb question. Why not?
The private sector won't allow a cash cow to leave.
Yes
Yebo, soo they can taste their failures.
Yes, why not
Yes
Ministers should not be allowed private health care! Period!let them use state hospitals! And no going to Russiaon taxpayers money!
Why not
kodwa ungabuza bus libhaliwe
Ofcoz they should but the people who vote for them don’t care… they like to suffer while their “ministers” live in luxury.
You mean the taxpayers?
Hell yes!!! Especially those who directly influence public healthcare!!!
Yes! And no private schooling either
Maybe just once. You know to see how it's run, incognito of course!
Absolutely
All MP’s & all elected officials MUST use Public Schools and Health Institutions - then see how quickly they’re fixed = Pvt Health &Ed = quickly obsolete
Yesss!!!! This is should not be a question this should be a norm. Politicians, ministers, public servants should use public facilities only. Public health care, public schools,
Yep
Yes
Only if they join the queue. They won't though. They will need to get extra special treatment, forcing Drs away from the poor to the fat cats. They absolutely should get the same level of care millions of SAns do so they can experience the rubbish.
Yes, they are the Public Servants, believe me, the public healthcare will change dramatically from poor to good if the members of Parliament can go to the Public Hospitals.
each year jwale- use public health, education and transport ha le kgathale🤦🏾♂️
Ministers join queues ? U learn sumthg every day.
Hell, YES!!
Yes they should! And send their children to public schools and they should also use public transport
Yes it's not even debateable
Absolutely. How else can they see the service quality?
There is no reigning these crooks in. There will soon put it in the Handbook that they have a right to use private healthcare given the mess they are running. Load shedding doesn't affect them, why should they worry abt it? Same logic with healthcare.
Yes, that's the only way the healthcare system will be taken seriously by the government.
Only way the Healthcare system will improve tbh
Yes
Government schooling, government hospitals, paying for lights and water and no generators should be mandatory for these clowns.
EFF said this in 2013/14
Yes
Yes
Obvious
Yes
YES!!! and they should also be paid minimum wage... That way we will keep most of the TRASH out
No
Yes so that they will know how their decisions affect us
Yes they should so they can know and feel the services they providing in this country
Yes
Yes absolutely, let’s also ensure they use public schools, pay for their own electricity and water and drive themselves everywhere unless they are out on a formal state assignment.
Are they demi gods?
Bayagula!
Yes
Yep, will see dramatic increase in service levels and customer (patient) care.
Aren't we equal before the law? Or they should be given first preference because they misuse poor people's money?
You cannot improve what you don't use! If the Ministers used public hospitals and public schools they'd know the challenges there first hand and then work on improving them.
Yebo
Oh absolutely, they must live the brand
No brainer
Definately!
No, atleast at that level they need som VIP attension
The problem is SA is that Ministers think they are celebrities of some sort instead of custodians LeadershipcrisisinSA Elections2024
It says a lot that they are not using it
yes, eat the food you serve others...
Yes they should. If they are doing their job very well they wont have a problem using public hospitals. They are currently not using them because they know what they are doing is not upto standard.
They must pay their own bills. No more state cars, houses or large salaries
Once they queue,the service delivery might be improve.
YES!!!!
Not only public healthcare but also send their kids to public schools, pay for their own expenses & no vip security. Must be subject to performance reviews every year. They must experience this country like the rest of us. Service delivery would improve dramatically.
Yes.
Yes they run it.
It's not even a question, that should have happened as early as 1994....
Yes,in that was the services will be of better standard.
I don't know why is that even a question
But of course! They must visit their Cuban nincompoops. Goes in with a cold, comes out with an amputated leg.
Should Ministers join the public Healthcare queue?
And minimum wage
It must start with public health employees, when a nurse or a Doctor is sick he/she will go to a private health care facility and not be treated where they work. Maybe then they will start to treat patients better
Nobody should be forced to use public health except government ministers
All public servants and SOE workers. They don't even pay tax.
The should be forced to use public healthcare, public transport and state lawyers.
YES, if the ministers are good enough to run the healthcare facility then they should trust institutions they head up and use them.
Yes
Soon private health will be for white people only, apartheid is coming back with full force, most white will be joing orania system 🙄
No, we have freedom of choice all in the country
Public healthcare and public schools
It only makes sense, they can’t be ministers of public health and not use it…
Yes so they will know what the people they presumably serve are going through everyday and they must come as ordinary citizens so the service will continue as normal and they can also receive the rude treatment received by ordinary citizens.
This is a corrupt state They will still have doctors visiting them at their homes...
Absolutely- if it’s not good for them it’s not good for us
YES
That will definitely improve health care if not atleast they will also get panado and that brown bottle of miracle cure everybody come with deferent illnesses but leave with same medication ....
Yes they need to know how bad it is
Mini stares and MPs who have a good medical aid that they will give up without realising it, when the NHI arrives . They should all sit in queues and need equipment during load shedding.
Are they not public servants 🤔
yes
YES They need to remember they are civil SERVANTS, they are not our rulers or overlords, they need to use public hospitals, schools, transport etc.. no special treatment with load shedding, pot holes, water, etc....
YES they should be forced to use public health - public schools - public transport. this will be the only way for these 'services' to be improved. They need to live like the 'common' folk They need to experience load shedding, water outages, pot holes, rates etc....
I wouldn’t allow someone to force me to use public healthcare because of my occupation if I can afford private healthcare. Everyone has rights of choice. It’s irrational to agreeing with this stupid question.
Yes yes and yes
Big yes, so that they experience the mess they have caused in our hospitals
Yes. This will result in an swift improvement to public healthcare.
Yes please!!! And drive for themselves too
Yes
Yes, they must feel it
They are representatives of it then they should use it or if they don't believe in then what's a point of having a State we can just be rebels
No
Sisa buza.
Hell YES
Of course yes. How will they know the struggles of the citizens they serve if they separate themselves from them.They must do everything with us. Akere they come from the commmunity,and it's us who had put them in power.
Of course,then i
Maybe if we had private wards inside public hospitals - it would help uplift the feneral comditions of the hospitals. 🤷🏽♂️
Well, I think they should. If a health minister and all government officials use public care, they will get to see the lack of resources and infrastructure and work towards fixing it. Nobody can fix a leaking roof if they've never slept in it on a rainy day
Yep
That's what EFF has been saying, EFF always ahead of everyone.
No
Yes..they forget they are public servants..not Gods!!
Yes, they should be forced to use Government hospitals, Government schools and all other Government run institutions. If these were run efficiently, why should it be a problem for them? They should have to reap the fruits of their labour like the rest of the country.
Yes
Ofcourse. Why is it still a question.
A lot will be fixed if they can use public hospitals
I'd extend and say ANYONE working for health department must be denied private Healthcare. ANYONE working for Education Department must be denied private schooling etc.
Yes they should. They work for the people. So people go first. Oh wait damn sorry. This is Africa they are more privileged and important than the people that voted them into power.
Is the only way they will care enough to improve quality of care
They never will, and they don't have to. Their voters are simple people who don't understand hypocrisy or maybe it is a cultural thing to allow your leaders to live like kings while you suffer.
Most definitely!
What’s wrong with that? What’s special about them?
We've voted them to represent us not to suppress us nor highly regard themselves,therefore it'll be good for them to use same facilities as in that way they'll never let essential services infrastructure delapilating let alone continue to improve/equip them for their use as well.
That should not even be a question, all public servant's must only go to public hospitals, let them deal with the services they provide to us, including the useless president, infact that one must only attend the worst ran clinics only🤷🤷we will get things right like that.
How is this even a valid question? How on earth can these people run or at least fix a system that they're not even using? It will never be in their best interest
Yes. Especially lo khanda khulu who's pictured here.
Not only health, but they must also use public transport and public schools. It's their goods afterall.
Sitting and doing nothing, getting paid, collapsing the economy, living luxurious lifestyle.
Both health and education
Thieves must join the poor citizens.
Yes
Dr Phaahla does, why not?
Yes
There should be a policy that compels parliamentarians and Councillors to use public hospital.
Is the pope catholic? They should also be forced to use public transport, pay for electricity, water and municipal services. Pay for their own meals and airtime......
What kind of a question is that, why would a person cook something, dish it to other people and then go out to order takeaway for themselves.
No. Our public health is under very severe pressure. Everyone who can, should use private care... Using public health to prove some nebulous point, is quite silly...
Yes... why not
ScholtzSusan That should be the condition for ALL public representatives....Aren't they supposed to be working for 'our people'....let them also use facilities of ' our people'....
YES! And their kids must go to public schools. They are not more special than anyone else.
Yes. Then maybe it will be run properly and not be one another escom and saa where everyone is doing ss little as possible for the highest salaries!
Yes,because they would secure that Public Healthcare would be a priority where provision is concerned.
They will still find creative ways to corruptly visit private healthcare centers. Try it😂
Yes. They should definately use public health care services.
Does this mean they won't have medical aids?
All government workers and politician should be forced to use public healthcare
Why not
Yes!!!!
but why waste our time with something that's never gonna happen
If these guys had to lose their perks... Believe me all departments will be functioning at 100%. But because they are not affected they don't
Yes. And public schools and clinics. Oh, and public transport! 🤬
They should be forced to use public transport too.
They should use it by default. After all, they're in charge of these facilities.
Yes thei sre public servant's to the people why not, they must go experience the hardship poor South Africans are subjected too,at government hospitals
Yes.
Yes
The rule should be. They are not allowed to go to private health care.
YES
Why not? It shouldn't even be a Question... They are Public Servants themselves.. Very highly paid Servants.. They should experience the systems they create in this COUNTRY!! ARE WE EVEN STILL DEBATING THIS NONSENSE? ALL THIS COUNTRY KNOW IS 'TALK SHOP' PIECES.. 🚮
I love how y’all are coming down heavily on them as of late , I love this ❤️😂
Yes they should and on top of that they should be load shedded, they should pay for petrol, water and electricity. They should experience what the majority are experiencing. Because you can never speak patiently about something you don’t know
Thomas Sankara prohibited all ministers and officials from using any but public hospitals, schools and services.
Public health ,Public transport ,Public schools and no protection or limited if there's no risk
1st the should be earning 30 per month....
Yes
Absolutely. Government ministers and their families should make use of all government facilities, including schooling for their children. If they are so confident of the services they are providing, lead by example and use them.
They will just push in to the front!
Is this even a question? Even public schooling.
Yes especially that one of Health.
Definitely..
Well they making the shit decisions that lead to poor public health (transport, education, etc) why should they not be forced to use the fruits of their labour 😒
Yes
Media houses should be exposing the rots of this country🤷🏾♂️I mean this shouldn’t even be open for a poll/discussion instead it should be something they condemn as the media on daily basis.
YES!!!
Definitely..They should use all Government provided facilities... hopefully then they will stop stealing but rather put the money into the Government institutions instead... there is no reason why they should not pay for electricity or get loadshedding.... no reason what so ever!
Yes most definitely
Absolutely! Then they’ll make sure the system works then! Or not!
Does the average person with medical aid queue for public health care? Let's start there
Even sending their kids to public schools will improve our education.
Yes 😂 that when our public health service will improve automatically and them also working to improve them.
Yes
YES
The Sankara oath should have been brought long ago, politicians think South Africans are stupid civilians go to public everything yet you take your families to private everything, who's fooling who ?
Yes and also maybe stop stealing everything insight and the corruption
If they are in the service of the public and paid by the public they might just as well use public healthcare, public transport, public schools etc. That will be the quickest way to upgrade public services that you have ever seen.
Yes
YES!
And no more Russian trips to handle poisoning claims...
Fuck yes
Now you want an opinion.... Go ask CIA... even better... ask cyril
Just asking. Isn't that there should be a probe also on living allowances for provincial MECs and MMCs? Or they don't have a Handbook but the national gvt office bearers.
Yes they should, they get paid fat salaries, they need to see what it’s really like.
They should receive what they're capable of delivering.
YES YES YES YES YES
They must spend their own salaries, including cutting their car, housing perks
No,they are MINISTERS (even though most of them are corrupt)
Yes they should join ques just so they feel their incompetence
Hell, yes!
They must go to SPCA where they belong 🐕
This shouldn't even be a question.
They would still get special treatment from the hospital. Those people would be on their best behavior on the day.
YES, this was not gonna be left to be just like this.
Infact, ministers and their families should use everything that’s public. In that way you will create an environment where everything in this country that’s public runs smoothly because they wouldn’t want to take their families and themselves to a shabby hospital or school.
YES WITH NO LINE SKIPPING
Yes I don’t understand this idea of government paying medical aid for the government employees if we have government hospitals. They can use that money to maintain and to build more hospitals in SA.
People complain about public healthcare in South Africa but it's really top quality. When funds & resources aren't there, health workers do their best. So why shouldn't they join queue?
Never will be ANC cadres
That's the only way to improve the public health system.
Yes
Ministers are just normal human beings. In 1994 they joined the queue.
It shouldn’t even be a question
They should all ride the bus from now on.
Yes
Yes
They should use ALL the services they’re responsible for... so they know what the rest of the country has to deal with.
That'd be great to experience the reality
Yes. They created it ... now the Ministers can enjoy the benefits of their creation.
Starting with GROOT KOP, YES
Why that even a question if they’re providing leadership we won’t have queues in healthcare facilities but poor leadership skill 😤😤😤😤
SithaleKgaogelo Yes. And pay for water and electricity like everyone else. Also send their kids to public schools too.
Why give staff money for lunch when you got a canteen?
Yes, and public education, for starters....
Why would they use something they have destroyed.
Yes of course, it must be legislated/ should have been legislated long time to inspire confidence in the health sector
Be real.. I'm in the SANDF.. my Genl's don't stand in queues.. but they just show up and see the situation. So public care is right. But don't tell them when they arrive. So they can see what people have to deal with.
I agree, they should use institutions that they oversee even their kids must use public schools
Yes
Yes, But cANCer goverment think they better than others, but they are just plain criminals
Yeah
Yes then they might actually see the reality of the situation
How else would they know what the public have to deal with.,the decay of public health.
Of course...
Yes
Ministers should join the queue everywhere period. Ministers should pay their own way, drive their own cars, pay for their own fuel, live in their own homes, there should be ZERO special treatment for them they DON'T deserve any of the free luxury treatment they receive
Stupid question 🤔
If public healthcare is not good enough for them then why do they expect the rest of the country to use it?
Yes.
Yes, but we all know then our bill for plane tickets to Russia will be worse.
Ministers should only use public services
YESSSSS !!!!! And let them pay water and electricity as well as school fees for their children. No free airplane tickets .
The public Healthcare should be tried and kinks worked out by the public sector before the private sector is dragged into something that will have the likelihood of not succeeding on multiple facets.
Absolutely! That's the only way to get things working!
Yes, what's good for the goose must be good for gander!
Yes, why not? They must show us that they have confidence in their government.
All parliamentarians should use public services only: Healthcare, Education and (In)Security.
Of course
Of course why not u can not render a service that u can not used
It is public health care system they proudly designed,developed and implemented. I am certain they are happy with the outstanding system. Iu.t is what they deem fit for ANY SAn HUMAN BEING. They should lead by example. A system soooo great they can be proud of.😏
Definitely
N public school n tertiary actually withdraw all benefits
Is sky blue? Is water wet? It should be mandatory for ALL government employees from the president down to use public healthcare and public schools. That would probably be the quickest and most effective way to fasttrack improvements in the health and education systems.
Yes.
Yes
This shouldn't even be a question. It's an absolute travesty that we put people in a palce of responsibility where they are exempt from any & all conseqiences for failing to deliver.
Why not, honestly why? I've been in king Edward hospital for this last week getting treated for the same rare skin condition I have had treated privately before. Treatment is exactly the same and where docs are concerned better. They want me cured not poor
All of them they must Use Public Transport especially This Msunu MbalulaFikile
YESSSSS!!!
Yes definately let it be known you reap what you sow
Yes why not what are they waiting for Is 30 you guys chowing tax payers money is time you stop it You living in luxury that why we don't see anything tangible you did for us for voting to lead us South African are like blesses to you politicians mxm
Why not after all they are doing nothing or am I lying?
This Gungubele was troublesome even in childhood… Tambo couldn’t handle him also…
The sooner they do, the better our healthcare system will be.
Why not...they must feel the pinch as well.
Yes they should , they are of no value to South Africans.
It will be the quickest way to fix it.
If they are so confident in it, why not
Minsters created health services and they should enjoy their creative work. You cook it,you eat it. It's that simple.
Why is this even a question! Fuck yeah!
F*ck yeah! Ba special nganton bona? Ngabantu mos nabo
Yep + Tata aa their state cars they deserve those kind of cars
All State, Government & Judiciary employees must not have medical aid, then U will see public hospitals turning into world class health care.
Absolutely
I'd respond but my response wouldn't be quite kosher, therefore, I'll reserve my comment.
They must start spending their salaries,
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