Munk Debate: Can we stop people from dying of old age?

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David Sinclair and Joanna Masel debate whether aging is a reversible disease

In order to debate this topic, we first have to define what we mean by disease. A disease is a condition that results in disability, deterioration of function and loss of mobility over time. We think of aging as something separate that’s historical, not scientific. Historically, we’ve put certain ailments in certain buckets. We’ve been very good at defining different diseases that affect each of us, while ignoring what causes 85 per cent of diseases on the planet.

Evolution can also tell us why we age. The reason we age is that there’s no adaptive benefit to a species sticking around for longer than it needs, in order to ensure the replacement of its gametes, its DNA. And so, humans over the last few million years haven’t needed to live beyond about 50 years of age because they’re going to die from war and famine, etc. Young men used to die at war pretty commonly.

David Sinclair is a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School and one of TIME’s “top 50 people in health care.” He is the author of over 200 scientific papers, as well as the New York Times bestseller, “Lifespan: Why We Age—and Why We Don’t Have To.”I want to clarify what we mean by aging. Even if we got rid of aging, we still wouldn’t be immortal. We would all die of something eventually. Aging is usually defined as your proximity to dying — every year, your chance of dying goes up.

And as soon as you have any process in which cells compete, then some cells are going to be very good at competition, which means they’re going to cause cancer. You are then going to age from cancer, or at least precancerous clonal expansions. Essentially, there’s no option C. Cells either compete or they don’t compete. If they don’t compete, you age of senescence. And if they do compete, then you age of cancer accumulation. So either way you still age, and there is no third option.

 

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God & Jesus have already done it: - ie only our bodies die but our spirits go/return to Heavenly Paradise; same for pets/animals.

Who wants to live and pay taxes forever 🤣🤣

“Nature finds a way” - Dr.Malcolm Keep people living for now, just so the next new pathogen forms a bridgehead in the population and runs its ugly course. We will Eventually be living in endless lockdown the way this interconnected, risk adverse world has become

The real question is -- 'Should we stop people from dying of old age?' Do we as a species have the right?

No. Climate change.

Seriously, exactly how uneducated are the people of these debates? Human population on this planet is growing faster than any virus or bacteria known to man, and they want to stop people from dying altogether? There are no words for that level of stupid.

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